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The hidden history of race and the tax code : Planet Money : NPR

The hidden history of race and the tax code : Planet Money : NPR


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SYLVIE DOUGLIS, BYLINE: NPR.

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KENNY MALONE, HOST:

It is tax week in America. And, you know, a couple of months ago, there was this pretty eye-popping/troubling discovery in the world of taxes.

GENE DEMBY, HOST:

And it came from a study by a bunch of university researchers and a couple of people from the U.S. Treasury Department.

DANIEL HO: I’m Dan Ho. I’m a professor here at Stanford.

MALONE: Daniel Ho was part of this team, part of this study, which decided to take a look at IRS audits.

DEMBY: Specifically who the IRS audits.

HO: And the big thing that we found in the paper – it’s a really disturbing finding – is that Black taxpayers are 3 to 5 times as likely to be audited as everyone else.

DEMBY: Three to 5 times more likely to be audited by the IRS if you are Black.

MALONE: This finding was a big deal, made headlines. It was also a bit of a puzzle because the IRS does not collect data on taxpayer race. Like, they are not allowed to even do that.

HO: We don’t think that what is going on here is any evidence of explicit bias – after all, IRS doesn’t observe race and ethnicity of the taxpayer – but really stem from sort of existing institutional priorities and selection processes for how audits get surfaced.

DEMBY: Specifically, this disparity has to do with something called the earned income tax credit.

HO: The earned income tax credit is a program really meant to assist lower-income wage earners, particularly lower-income wage earners that have dependents.

DEMBY: So if you don’t earn a lot of money and you have a kid, you are very likely eligible for this break on your taxes. And the IRS does disproportionately audit this pool of taxpayers. And this pool of taxpayers, it is disproportionately Black.

MALONE: Yeah. However, we don’t know specifically how they choose who to audit. They don’t make that public, you know, in part ’cause that would help tax dodgers also dodge tax audits. But Daniel says it is easy to imagine some factors that may lead the IRS to do more audits of people who claim this earned income tax credit.

DEMBY: Right. Like, for one, it’s cheaper and easier to audit low-income people, like someone claiming the earned income tax credit. In those cases, all the IRS has to do is send a letter, like a piece of mail to you, that basically says, hey, are you sure you qualify for this tax credit? Can you send us a bunch of documentation?

HO: If a taxpayer does not respond, they are deemed ineligible for that credit. And that happens at fairly high rates, either because taxpayers are in fact ineligible or because it can be a significant burden on taxpayers to try to find that documentation, to respond to the IRS and engage with that audit process.

DEMBY: And also, I imagine if you’re just a poor person – right? – you get an envelope, maybe you are housing unstable.

HO: Exactly.

DEMBY: Maybe you have like – it’s just like there’s a million ways in which that mail might never – not ever cross your field of vision, even if it was sent to you.

HO: Exactly.

MALONE: You know, there’s this term that some researchers have used when talking about this audit-by-mail thing. The term is a doom loop. So you can imagine a situation where the IRS sends out mail audits, some chunk of people who really do qualify for the earned income tax credit, they don’t see that audit letter, or they mess up their documentation or whatever. But to the IRS, this just looks like a successful audit catching a problematic taxpayer.

DEMBY: So then the next year, the IRS might send even more mail audits and so on and so on. This is the doom loop.

MALONE: And, you know, again, we do not know for sure how the IRS does its audits. But it is true that as the budget for the IRS has been cut, the agency has shifted towards these cheaper audits of lower-income taxpayers.

HO: So much so that in the most recent years, nearly 50{c024931d10daf6b71b41321fa9ba9cd89123fb34a4039ac9f079a256e3c1e6e8} of audits are of taxpayers who claim the earned income tax credit.

DEMBY: Wow, 50{c024931d10daf6b71b41321fa9ba9cd89123fb34a4039ac9f079a256e3c1e6e8}?

HO: Yeah.

DEMBY: Wow.

HO: It’s really – it is – it’s a really jaw-dropping rate of audits.

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DEMBY: What’s good, y’all? Welcome to PLANET MONEY. I’m Gene Demby.

MALONE: And I am Kenny Malone. And, Gene, to celebrate, mark – I don’t know, what’s the right word here? – something…

DEMBY: (Laughter).

MALONE: …Something tax week, we are partnering up with you and the Code Switch podcast because you all recently did a whole episode about the history of race and of taxes.

DEMBY: Yes, we did. And today on this show, we’re going to talk to the lawyer who inspired Daniel Ho’s research to look at the way taxes interact with buying a house, with getting married and going to college, and the way that race is braided into all of that.

MALONE: That conversation is after the break.

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MALONE: Today’s episode comes from our colleagues at NPR’s Code Switch podcast, who recently interviewed a Georgetown law professor named Dorothy Brown. Dorothy is a tax lawyer and wrote a book called “The Whiteness Of Wealth: How The Tax System Impoverishes Black Americans And How We Can Fix It.” And Dorothy’s work, it’s sort of the inspiration for that big tax audit study that we talked about earlier with Daniel Ho. And we’re just going to let Code Switch hosts Gene Demby and Lori Lizarraga take the story from here.

DEMBY: Daniel’s study on race in audits kicked off a furor in Washington, but he says all this really started with Dorothy Brown.

LORI LIZARRAGA, BYLINE: Yeah. Daniel said Dorothy was a pathbreaker in illuminating how race shapes America’s tax system.

DEMBY: And what’s bananas, Lori, is that Dorothy became an expert on this completely by accident.

DOROTHY A BROWN: I wanted a job in law where I didn’t have to deal with racism because, growing up in the South Bronx, I dealt with racism a lot. So I knew I wanted to be a lawyer. And I decided, well, I want to do law that has nothing to do with race. I know. I’ll be a tax lawyer because the only color that matters is green. And here I am. Race is a critical component of tax, and it just hasn’t been thought of that way.

DEMBY: I wanted to know more about Dorothy’s superhero origin story, and she said that her revelation about how much race gets braided into our tax policy came about when she sat down to help her parents do their taxes. So I asked Dorothy to set the scene.

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BROWN: Yeah. So, you know, as a result of having an accounting degree, I did my – you know, like every good child, I did my parents’ tax returns. And every April – you know, every time I did their tax returns, I was struck by the idea that I thought they paid too much in taxes, that I couldn’t figure it out. So my mother was a nurse in a nursing home, and my father was a plumber for the New York City Housing Authority. So each of them made roughly equal amounts of income, and each of them made half of what I made. So, you know, I would – whenever I did their taxes, this issue came up. But I had a real job, right? So I didn’t have time to sit and think about why they were paying too much in taxes. But I – it always nagged at me.

And fast forward – when I was a law professor, I actually had time. So I decided to just start reading race publications, to start reading about race and to put my tax lens on the race data to see if I could make the connection that way ’cause there’s lots of race data but not viewed through a tax lens. And I came across a study put out by the Commission on Civil Rights on the economic status of Black women. And I’m reading it, and it says that married Black women contribute 41{c024931d10daf6b71b41321fa9ba9cd89123fb34a4039ac9f079a256e3c1e6e8} to household income. And that was my eureka moment. That means nothing to anybody else but to these tax eyes, oh, my gosh.

My mother and father earned roughly equal amounts. And what our tax law does to those married couples is cause their taxes to increase when they marry. So when I saw that, I said that’s why my parents are paying so much money in taxes – ’cause they’re married to each other. If they were single, living in a household, their tax bill would not have been as high as it was because they were married.

LIZARRAGA: OK, so Dorothy’s lightbulb moment came about when she realized that couples earning the same or similar wages get hit harder when they file their taxes jointly, right?

DEMBY: Yes. Sometimes getting married and filing jointly can bump a two-income couple into a higher tax bracket. And that could also phase out some benefits and credits.

LIZARRAGA: But we know that, historically, Black married couples were way more likely to have two income-earners because, well, you know, racism. I mean, Black people were paid less for their labor. Both spouses needed to work to make ends meet. So all those Black married couples were being paid less and paying more in taxes?

DEMBY: Listen, listen. This is what made my brain explode out of my ear when I was reading Dorothy’s book. Like, isn’t being married supposed to help your financial situation?

LIZARRAGA: Right.

DEMBY: I mean, marriage is such a huge part of the discourse around Black economic stability that there was even a policy by the George W. Bush administration trying to get Black folks to get married because the argument was it would help Black people build wealth and to catch up with white folks. And Dorothy and I got into all of this in our conversation about how the marriage benefit in taxes has really been a marriage penalty if you’re Black.

BROWN: In fact, you know, one of the reasons people on the right argue Blacks are living in poverty is because we’re not married, right? Then what you find out is, yeah, when we’re married, our taxes go up. So that’s not – marriage isn’t helping us. And how it works is, there are certain couples that get tax cuts when they get married. Those are the single-wage-earner households, where one spouse works in the paid labor market, and the other spouse stays at home.

DEMBY: Right.

BROWN: We don’t tax the value of the stay-at-home services. We just tax the wages of the paid-labor spouse. Those are the married people who get a tax break from marriage. When you have two spouses working and contributing roughly equal amounts, their tax bill goes up. They’d be better off living together, as the right would say, in sin and paying less taxes and building wealth.

DEMBY: And so there’s a point in the middle 20th century in which married white women start entering the workforce, too, right? And so you would think that this penalty that married, double-income partners are facing would hit white people, too, right? Like…

BROWN: Oh, you’ve nailed it. When I first started doing this research, there was always a category of married white couples who looked like married Black couples, in terms of their spouses contribute roughly equal amounts. That number was small in the beginning, and then grew over time.

DEMBY: And then came the Trump tax cuts, which Dorothy says suddenly fixed some of those marriage penalties that more white couples were now experiencing, too.

BROWN: So what the 2017 tax cuts did was eliminate the marriage penalty for married couples who make less than $600,000, except for the Earned Income Tax Credit couples. Those couples are still hit by the marriage penalty. But if you’re outside of the Earned Income Tax Credit household, you’re not paying a marriage penalty because of the Trump tax cuts.

DEMBY: So one of the arguments you make in the book is that the tax code has historically worked specifically against Black folks.

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: Can you explain how that has happened?

BROWN: Yes. So in the beginning, only the rich people paid taxes. And then, basically, we had World War II. We had to move from only the richest Americans to basically everybody else. So you had this expanded tax base. But think about it. Black Americans are paying taxes, too, to a federal government that excludes them from New Deal provisions. And nobody’s offered to give us our money back, right? We’re paying for second-class citizenship. We’re paying for separate but equal, right? So we’re paying for discrimination.

DEMBY: During the New Deal, the FHA, the Federal Housing Administration, began insuring home mortgages. They would only insure those mortgages in white neighborhoods, turning red-lining into federal policy. And when the GI Bill came along with World War II, it was implemented in ways that kept Black veterans coming back from the war from receiving benefits.

BROWN: So we’re paying taxes that’s funding the government that’s making sure that, you know, my parents weren’t eligible for an FHA-insured loan, or my grandparents – right? – that were making sure that returning Black veterans didn’t have access to home loans. But those Black veterans, when they were working, was paying taxes into a system that was disadvantaging them. And it was paying for a system that was propping up the expanded homeownership rate. So from 1940 to 1950, we saw a minority of white homeowners become a majority of white homeowners with the assistance of federal policy and with Black taxpayers helping to foot the bill.

So for example, think about the tax subsidies for homeownership that came in – well, that have been in the code since the beginning. And then there’s a certain provision if you sell your home at a gain that came in 1951. Well, in 1951, the majority of white Americans were homeowners. So they could benefit from that provision. We have never had a point in time where the majority of Black Americans were homeowners. So any tax subsidy for homeownership is a tax subsidy designed for white Americans.

DEMBY: So, I mean, it seems like it’s basically impossible to, like, extricate home ownership from taxes, right?

BROWN: Yeah.

DEMBY: And the wisdom goes, you know, buy a home. You get a bunch of tax breaks.

BROWN: Yes. Yes.

DEMBY: That helps you build family wealth. It’s really central to the way, as you know – like, the way you talk about…

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: …Fixing the wealth gap…

BROWN: Absolutely.

DEMBY: …is, like, getting Black people into homeownership.

BROWN: Sure. But it starts with the backdrop of where you started, that there’s this idea that because white Americans were able to build wealth through homeownership, Black Americans can mimic that. And Black Americans cannot mimic being white, which is what really is the reason why white Americans have built homeownership wealth.

Where we live is in different neighborhoods. So most Black homeowners live in racially diverse or all-Black neighborhoods. Most white homeowners live in all-white neighborhoods. And since the majority of homebuyers are white homeowners or prospective white homeowners, their preferences make the market. They’re not interested in buying homes in all-Black or racially diverse neighborhoods. They’re only interested in buying homes in neighborhoods with very few Black Americans. So if you are the only Black homeowner in an all-white neighborhood, then that’s a really good financial investment for you. You’re going to build wealth the way your white peers do. But it’s going to come at a price.

DEMBY: Yes.

BROWN: Your white neighbor may call the cops on you.

DEMBY: Yep.

BROWN: If you have children and you send them to school, they’re going to get tagged as delinquents, even though they’re engaging in the same behavior that their white peers are. So there’s all this racism you’re going to have to deal with. Whereas, if you buy in an all-Black or racially diverse neighborhood, you don’t have those issues, but you have issues of being able to sell your home or being able to borrow against it so that you can put your kid through college, right? So homeownership for Black Americans does not work the same way as it does for white Americans. It just isn’t – it isn’t the same as, well, it worked for them; it should work for us.

DEMBY: I’m going to turn to student loan debt.

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: So a lot of discourse around student loan relief, student debt relief has centered on the racial justice angle, that, you know, Black folks carry a bigger debt burden because we have so much less household wealth than white families. And so, when we go to college, we…

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: …Have to take out more loans to finance college. But you say that how much debt that people are carrying because of their race is also shaped, in a bunch of invisible ways, by tax policy. So how are taxes part of that story?

BROWN: So, you know, one of the biggest breaks is an interest deduction for student loans. The problem is it’s capped at $2,500. And when you look at the average debt load of a college graduate, it’s higher for Black Americans than white Americans. So they usually have more debt, and they’re capped out, right? So the $2,500 does not allow…

DEMBY: Yeah.

BROWN: …Most Black taxpayers their full interest deduction, right? And it’s worse. If two Black college graduates get married, when they were individual filing, they each had a $2,500 cap. When they get married, they both have a total $2,500 cap.

DEMBY: Wait. I’m sorry.

BROWN: Yes. Hello.

DEMBY: Why? Why would they – why would that go – why wouldn’t that just be, I mean, debt…

BROWN: Hello.

DEMBY: Well, I guess their credit becomes…

BROWN: It’s like, the idea that you don’t make an accountability for two people being married with student debt is ludicrous, right? That’s a tax policy angle that could be fixed, right? But – you know, so the worst of all possible worlds is for two Black college graduates to get married, right?

DEMBY: Oh, my God.

BROWN: Because they’ve got this high debt load (laughter), and then they can’t take the interest deduction. So that’s, like…

DEMBY: So I’m imagining a scenario where two Black college graduates get married, can’t take an interest deduction on their debt load.

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: They buy a house, right?

BROWN: Yes.

DEMBY: They have all these – right? And then they also are dealing with the marriage penalty because they probably make…

BROWN: (Laughter) Yes.

DEMBY: So I’m like, oh, my God.

BROWN: I once had a student say, so, professor Brown, are you saying that we shouldn’t get married? I said, do not go home and tell your grandmother that. I did not say that.

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DEMBY: Like, all these students come to a tax law class, and they come out of class like, our professor told us not to get married, not to buy a house and that college was going to be – might be a drag on our earnings down the line.

BROWN: (Laughter).

DEMBY: They’re like, oh, my God, what did I sign up for?

BROWN: And the most depressing chapter in my book was the college chapter because that’s when I came across the statistic that said 60{c024931d10daf6b71b41321fa9ba9cd89123fb34a4039ac9f079a256e3c1e6e8} of Black students who start college don’t graduate.

DEMBY: That’s me. Yeah.

BROWN: And they leave with huge amounts of debt. It was heartbreaking. That statistic just blew me away.

DEMBY: So I’m a Black college dropout, and I still carried a big debt…

BROWN: Yes. See?

DEMBY: …You know, once I applied to college and didn’t finish. How does the tax system show up in the way I file my taxes? How does that affect our financial outlooks?

BROWN: Right. You know, there’s research that shows the student debt load is a drag on Black folks and, therefore, increases the racial wealth gap, that by forgiving student debt, you’d make quite a dent in the racial wealth gap.

DEMBY: So you just named, like, all these ways, these sort of landmines built into our tax policy, like, our…

BROWN: Yeah.

DEMBY: …Economic system. Is there a way – can we quantify how much that means over generations for Black folks, like, the way that this drag that tax policy exerts on Black people and non-white people more broadly?

BROWN: You know…

DEMBY: Do we know how much that is?

BROWN: The easy answer is no. The easy answer is no. But I could imagine at some point, Gene, some economists having an answer to your question. This is how much – this is the quantification of it. And part of why I wanted to make the book accessible and I wanted – is I wanted other people to pick up the charge, right? So my book focuses on Black and white. I want other people to focus on Hispanic Americans. I want AAPI, Indigenous Americans – there’s all kinds of systemic racism that’s built into the code where taxpayers of color are disadvantaged, not just Black taxpayers. So I’m excited about the other research that’s been done.

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DEMBY: After the break, the research that Dorothy has already inspired – that research by Daniel Ho about race and IRS audits – causes a little drama on Capitol Hill.

All right, y’all. It’s worth me and Lori jumping back in right quick to remind you that it was Dorothy’s research that led to the study that Daniel Ho and a team of researchers released in January.

LIZARRAGA: So much so that Senator Ron Wyden, the head of the Senate Finance Committee, put Daniel Werfel, the new head of the IRS, on the clock to get to the bottom of these racial disparities.

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RON WYDEN: This is something the IRS has to address. If you’re confirmed, what will you do to uncover the reasons for the racial disparity in audit selection and what we do to correct it?

DANNY WERFEL: Right now, not being at the IRS, I don’t yet have a good sense of what the issue is, what the causes are…

WYDEN: Let’s do this – will you commit, within 60 days of being confirmed, that you will get back to us and give us the underlying reasons, in your view, why there is this discrimination and what you’ll do to correct it within 60 days?

WERFEL: I will absolutely, as soon as I get to the IRS, talk to those individuals that are working this issue and report back to you on what we’re finding.

WYDEN: Sixty days.

WERFEL: Understood, Senator.

WYDEN: All right.

DEMBY: Just as we were finishing up this episode, the IRS announced an $80 billion plan to modernize the way that it collects taxes. And part of that plan is meant to find ways to analyze whether the IRS is discriminating in its auditing.

LIZARRAGA: Which sounds vague, like the IRS is making a plan to look for the racial discrimination Daniel Ho and his team already found. But I will say in terms of the larger plan, we are hearing the IRS actually acknowledging racial disparities in a way that we haven’t before, which, you know, I guess does give me some hope that some of these disparities will actually begin to be addressed. And it’s all kind of wild that Dorothy was responsible for lighting the match that started all of this.

DEMBY: Right? Like, she went into law specifically to stay away from race. That’s why she went into tax law. And now race and taxes – that’s kind of her legacy.

BROWN: So, you know, every April 15, the tax code, which disadvantages Black taxpayers while advantaging white taxpayers, increases the racial wealth gap. So we could solve the racial wealth gap tomorrow, but it would be started again next April 15. So we cannot solve the racial wealth gap without making sure it’s not perpetuated by our tax policies. And people tend not to draw the connection between those two. It’s the silent wealth killer for Black families.

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DEMBY: This episode was produced by James Sneed with help from Olivia Chilkoti. It was edited by Dalia Mortada and Courtney Stein and engineered by James Willetts and Brian Jarboe. And we would be remiss if we did not shout out the rest of the Code Switch massive. That’s B.A. Parker, Veralyn Williams, Leah Donnella, Kumari Devarajan, Karen Grigsby Bates, Christina Cala, Alyssa Jeong Perry, Jess Kung and Steve Drummond. Our art director is LA Johnson.

MALONE: Thanks again to our colleagues at Code Switch for this episode. You can hear more, including a very fun Dungeons & Dragons episode, by subscribing to Code Switch wherever you get your podcasts.

DEMBY: I’m Gene Demby.

LIZARRAGA: I’m Lori Lizarraga.

DEMBY: Be easy, y’all.

LIZARRAGA: Call your dad.

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Washington Supreme Court upholds effort to balance tax code

Washington Supreme Court upholds effort to balance tax code
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“For 134 years, Washington state has been waiting around for the working day when a fairer tax method came about, just one where doing work men and women had been not carrying an inequitable share of the burden,” Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, stated in a statement. “Today is that day. Washington’s capital gains tax helps ideal an upside-down tax framework the place low-cash flow Washingtonians in the long run expend a a great deal larger share of their earnings in taxes than our wealthiest inhabitants.”

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The challengers pointed out that due to the fact the 1930s, Washington’s voters have 10 occasions rejected constitutional amendments or initiatives in favor of earnings taxes.

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Examining Treasury’s Review Of Racial Bias In The U.S. Tax Code

Examining Treasury’s Review Of Racial Bias In The U.S. Tax Code

Professor Steven A. Dean of Brooklyn Law School discusses Treasury’s Equity Action Plan and its progress on examining potential racial bias in the tax code.

This transcript has been edited for length and clarity.

David D. Stewart: Welcome to the podcast. I’m David Stewart, editor in chief of Tax Notes Today International. This week: bias review, Act 2.

On President Biden’s first day in office, he signed an executive order calling for the federal government to address racial inequalities in agency policies. Shortly after this announcement, the Treasury Department released its own equity action plan designed to examine potential racial bias in the tax code. Two years later, this plan has left many supporters underwhelmed by Treasury’s efforts.

This week’s episode is part of a series we’ve been doing examining how tax rules affect marginalized groups. We’ll include links in the show notes to our previous episodes on the intersection of tax and racial inequality, LGBTQ rights, feminism, diversity and international tax policy, tribal taxation, and wealth and inequality.

So today we’re taking a look at how Treasury’s plan has fared. Joining me now to talk more about this is Tax Notes reporter Alexander Rifaat.

Alex, welcome to the podcast.

Alexander Rifaat: Hi, Dave, good to be here.

David D. Stewart: To start off, could you give us some background on what Treasury’s Equity Action Plan is supposed to do?

Alexander Rifaat: Treasury’s Equity Action Plan is the Biden Administration’s attempt to examine potential biases in economic and tax policy. Amongst the measures that the Equity Action Plan attempts to address is potential racial bias in the tax code. Since the IRS does not collect statistics on race or ethnicity, Treasury would work with other government agencies such as the U.S. Census Bureau for the first time to gather statistics and get a better understanding of any relationship between race and the tax system.

David D. Stewart: All right. You recently spoke with someone about this issue. Could you tell us about your guest?

Alexander Rifaat: I spoke with Steven Dean at Brooklyn Law School. Dean really focuses on that intersection between tax policy and potential racism. Dean has been a high-profile proponent of addressing racial discrimination in the tax code and is coming out with a new book on the subject.

David D. Stewart: What sort of issues did you talk about?

Alexander Rifaat: We looked at Treasury’s Equity Action Plan, where it currently stands, as well as what Dean sees in terms of shortcomings with the plan, particularly when it comes to the collecting of statistics. I think that what you’ll find in this discussion and what was really an overarching theme was in terms of where the discussion is currently on racism and the tax code, there isn’t a one-quick-fix solution that proponents have in mind. But instead they’re building a trust within Treasury and government institutions to be able to find an optimal solution.

I think what you’ll see in discussion is looking at the current standing of Equity Action Plan, looking at what Treasury’s trying to do in terms of addressing the issue, ways that it can improve, and looking from there where this issue goes going forward.

David D. Stewart: All right, let’s go to that interview.

Alexander Rifaat: Professor Dean, welcome to Tax Notes Talk.

Steven A. Dean: Thank you so much for having me. Really excited to be here.

Alexander Rifaat: Right off the bat, why is it important to study the link between race and the tax code? How are inequities in the tax system connected to greater issues of economic and social inequality?

Steven A. Dean: I think the real answer there is we don’t know, and the reason we don’t know is we’ve been afraid to look. I think that the view of so many tax experts has been that as long as we don’t ask any questions, we won’t find anything that we’re uncomfortable with. I don’t know that they’ve really been that conscious of the choice to ignore race in this space, but that certainly has been the result.

I think that we’re only now beginning to understand. Of course, some of us have understood for longer than others. Professor Dorothy Brown has been talking about this for decades and only recently has really broken through with her book, The Whiteness of Wealth, that has really just taken the world by storm and has just completely transformed the conversation.

I know that so much of what has happened in the tax space over the past few years has been really the result of her personal and singular efforts to change that conversation. No longer, as it had been for many years. For me as a tax lawyer, I’ve been teaching here at Brooklyn Law School since 2004. I’ve seen her present her work in really important spaces in the tax community, and I’ve heard her silenced and ignored and all but ridiculed for her work.

But now with The Whiteness of Wealth, it’s forced everybody to really grapple with this question. The Treasury Department has been doing it reluctantly, and others have been doing it with a little more gusto, but I think they’re all finding very interesting results. So far, everybody that’s looked at the question, “Does race matter in tax?” has found an unequivocal yes to be the answer. So little has been done that I’m sure there’s much more to learn.

If we want to understand why inequality is such a big problem and why the racial wealth gap is such a big problem, I don’t think we could afford to not ask the question of how the tax system, which has always been about distribution and redistribution of wealth, what effect that has on different racial groups.

I think that one of the moments that really was an epiphany for me, and maybe will be for others as well— so for a little while I took leave from Brooklyn Law School and was running the Graduate Tax Program at NYU where I encountered another incredible scholar, Jeremy Bearer-Friend, who was a visiting assistant professor there but now is a tenure-track professor at George Washington University. I used some of his work and some of his notes in preparing my tax policy class at NYU while I was there.

One of the readings that he’d assigned just completely blew me away. It showed that 401(k)s have a disproportionate effect by race. I would’ve thought before I saw this that that was just simply impossible.

There’s just no way that you could, controlling for income, have the 401(k) system favor some racial groups or others. But the data was just crystal clear. It was crystal clear that because of racism elsewhere in the system, not in the tax law, people had different kinds of jobs. Even when they had the same income as whites, Blacks and Hispanics had much lower access to 401(k)s.

So if we’re deciding how we should support retirement and we think the 401(k) is the answer, wouldn’t we want to know if that was leaving Blacks and Hispanic folks at a big disadvantage in saving for retirement? I think we’d want to know that. I think that most fair-minded people would be as appalled as I was to realize that something they thought was perfectly race-neutral, really giving access to folks who don’t have a lot of advantages to that kind of powerful savings tool, it turns out that we were doing it wrong. We’re still doing it wrong, and we didn’t even know.

Alexander Rifaat: What do you make of Treasury’s Equity Action Plan? As previously mentioned, they created a racial equity committee and recently released their first analysis, which showed white families disproportionately benefit from the tax system. What are they doing right [and] what are they doing wrong in your opinion?

Steven A. Dean: I think they’re doing a lot of things right. I would say they’re doing it far too slowly. I think that waiting two years after Biden had announced the anti-racist executive order at the start of his administration. He then, soon thereafter, went on to do something that I publicly spoke out against as being quite nakedly racist.

In his pitch for one of his first tax measures, he said that they were going to fund some of their spending by going after tax havens, and he named two tax havens at his speech, both majority Black countries, and didn’t name any of the many other majority white countries — not majority white, Switzerland is not majority white, it’s almost entirely white. But in his pitch for this tax measure was implicitly using race as a way to gather support for his effort.

I publicly spoke out against that. Soon after that when he addressed Congress, he named Switzerland as well. So credit to him and his team for doing the right thing there. But it took years for them to form their advisory committee.

If you’re taking years to form an advisory committee, you’re not taking the issue seriously. I think that would be the biggest issue for me that they’re taking measures, and they’re taking important measures, but they’re going much too slowly. They could be doing a lot more.

The taxpayer advocate [and] other parts of Treasury could be sending out testers. There’s a famous study that economists produced decades ago, but it’s been reproduced since then, where they send out fake resumes to a bunch of Fortune 500 companies and they send out the same resumes with Black-sounding names and white-sounding names.

They’ve always found that the results are dramatically different. The experience and everything else is the same, so there’s nothing you could deduce from their experiences that would explain the differences, but if you use Black-sounding names like Lakeisha and Jamal and white sounding names like Emily and Greg — of course, I should disclose that even though my name is Steven Dean, I am Black. I think I certainly benefit from that white-sounding name phenomenon myself, and on the radio nobody can tell I’m Black.

But I think it’s important to realize that the fact that the IRS doesn’t collect race information is a silly, quite frankly, reason to claim that there can be no racism in the administration of tax. I would’ve very much liked to see, not merely this very careful, slow — and, sure, if you take two years to create your advisory committee, you’re probably going to do a pretty good job, and they did. But I would prefer them to maybe move a little faster and to maybe move a little faster in trying less-careful measures to figure out whether there’s any racial bias in the code.

Their very careful analysis of tax expenditures to see whether they have a racially disparate impact, that’s fine, but that doesn’t tell you whether the important questions that, again, Jeremy Bearer-Friend has been asking, “Is there racial bias in the administration of the tax code, and could there be?” We haven’t even really begun to look at that. Of course, there’s an important study just came — I think it was spearheaded by a laboratory at Stanford — that found, in fact, that there is racial bias in audits.

This is something that Treasury themselves could have been doing and certainly could have done in less than two years to at least find some evidence of what has to be true. It simply can’t be true that tax law is the only space in the world where race doesn’t have an impact and where racial bias won’t have an impact.

I will tell you something else: There is no doubt — because every time that I speak out about this, I get racist emails. You would think that no racist would listen to this podcast, but I will predict that when this podcast is posted, I will get some nasty racist emails. If people are bothered to send nasty, racist emails after I appear on this incredibly nerdy, and don’t take that the wrong way, podcast, that’s a pretty good indication that there is something that we need to focus on and address and think about.

Alexander Rifaat: Many tax policy experts, and those of the IRS, including former Commissioner Charles Rettig, have argued that a lack of statistics on race and any sort of reports linking higher audit rates to minority groups is simply a consequence of the complexity of certain credits, such as the earned income tax credit, and not a person’s skin color. What do you make of that?

Steven A. Dean: Well, I would say two things. I understand that argument and there is certainly some truth in it, but I’ll say two things.

One, it is certainly true that the structure of the earned income tax credit is essentially a trap, right? If you wanted to design a tax credit that was designed to get people in trouble, you couldn’t do much better than the earned income tax credit. Some of the reasons that it is so complicated and some of the reasons that it is so easy to get wrong are some of the biased assumptions built into it. It’s certainly true that most people assume that the EITC is a Black tax provision and it is targeted at Blacks, which is not true. More white people claim the credit than Black people certainly.

But it’s designed in a way that no other tax credit is designed. It is designed in a way that is very limited and limiting and very easy to get wrong. Some of those design features reflect racial bias. You would never include some of those requirements to get the mortgage interest reduction, a point Dorothy Brown has made. And if you included requirements like those for the EITC in other tax provisions, more people would get it wrong. I think that’s certainly true.

But it is also true, and I’ve appeared on panels with folks from the IRS, and I’ve heard these kinds of stories from them — I have heard these from their own mouths that these stories that sound like they’re coming directly from the 1980s, people claiming the EITC are willfully trying to avoid and abuse the system simply because that’s how they are. There is a real sense to me, and I think this is what the recent study shows.

And this is something that the ProPublica expose a few years ago that showed the 10 most heavily audited counties are Black and poor. I had a student this semester come up to me and say that their grandparents lived in one of these counties and in fact were audited. A Black student came up and told me that story. She was really struck by that when I told my class that.

So I think the structure of the EITC is almost designed with a sense that it is going to get people in trouble, it’s going to police them. The EITC is an example of the overpolicing of Blacks, I think, and then the administration of it because there is a sense that Blacks that are using it are up to no good.

I think when the IRS commissioner was asked about the ProPublica story, why these 10 counties were so heavily audited, the response was, “Well, that’s just where all of our auditors are.” I thought to myself, “That’s quite a coincidence.”

I think that there are a lot of people acting in good faith. I think almost everybody acts in good faith. But even some of those people acting in good faith I don’t think quite understand all of their motivations, all of their actions. I think many people who mean well actually do a lot of harm unintentionally.

Alexander Rifaat: You brought up the word policing. In a panel discussion last year, you said something I found interesting. You said, “There needs to be a tax law equivalent of a body camera to address inequities in the tax code.” What do you mean by that?

Steven A. Dean: I think one of the points that I really want to emphasize is that the report Treasury released, not the Stanford report that I think went further and did more interesting things than the Treasury report is doing, is something that is very careful and very overdue.

The idea that they’re actually going to use available data, which is something that economists do routinely, to investigate the impact of the tax code on race I think is really important. But there are a lot more back-of-the-envelope approaches that could be taken to examine bias in the tax law. The Stanford study I think is doing a very careful statistical version of this.

But if there weren’t body cameras on a lot of police officers, a lot of the stories that we know to be true about what has happened with the policing of Black Americans we wouldn’t believe, right? We sometimes don’t believe our eyes when we watch these body cameras of incredibly abusive police behavior, and we don’t want to believe it. I know police didn’t like them, and I want to believe that nobody would ever do this, but if not for these body cameras, I think everybody would say — not everybody, but a lot of people would say — “A policeman would never do that. There is no way an officer of the law would behave in the ways that we have seen officer of law behaving definitively on camera.” And of course, cameras do lie; you can edit them, you can leave out context. But they’re an important part of our oversight of what police do.

I don’t think that you’re going to put body cameras on IRS auditors. I don’t think that is ever going to happen or would be helpful. But there are interventions of that kind that aren’t just studying the statistical frequency with which Blacks are pulled over. One of my favorite stories is that Senator Tim Scott, R-S.C., I think was pulled over seven times in one year, which I don’t know how many senators get pulled over that often, but it does make you wonder.

The numbers are important; I get that. But without some way of teasing out the stories, I think numbers tell an important story, but we need to understand the reality of what it’s like to get a correspondence audit when your name is Lakeisha. What does that feel like? What does that look like? How are the auditors behaving? When the IRS sends out a notice to somebody named Lakeisha or Jamal, it is clear that they’re sending that to a Black person. They don’t need to know the taxpayer’s race to know that they are then auditing a Black person.

The same true for zip codes. They can tell the race of people that they’re dealing with without having that person tell them their race. If they were to send a notice to me, which I fear they might do now that I’ve had this conversation with you, they would not know unless I told them, and I have on this podcast, that I’m Black. I live in a neighborhood that’s pretty diverse but is not overwhelmingly Black. I have a name that is extremely white. That’s how it is. I think we need to understand not just the numbers that we’re starting to see.

Dorothy Brown has, I think, argued persuasively and powerfully in her book that race matters. We’ve seen Treasury acknowledge that race matters. But I think certainly the way that I’ve heard Treasury talk about this, they seem quite convinced that class matters but race doesn’t. They’re saying that the reason that more Blacks are audited than whites is that more filed the EITC. The recent Stanford study showed that that is only a quarter of the story, so there’s much more.

But we really need to understand not just the data; we need to understand what goes wrong. What’s the other three quarters? And if we have the tax laws equivalent of body cameras — listen, I think there are many people out there more creative and smarter than I am, and many of them work at the IRS. I think they would know what we need, and I think we should allow them to tell us. We should allow them to figure out what is happening. Again, when I speak out about this, people reach out to me and tell me things. I’ve had Black people who used to work at the IRS who left because of a sense of unwelcomeness is a delicate way to put it.

I think we need to understand those stories as well as the data that we’re now beginning to see, which we’ve seen years ago when Dorothy Brown first started asking for this and was told that it didn’t matter. She’s like, “OK, I’ll just do it myself.” And she did, and that’s incredible. But now we’re seeing Treasury actually doing some of the work that should have been done years ago, and that’s good. It’s not bad that you’re doing it. It’s good, but it’s late and it’s not enough.

We see now the Stanford study is pushing the envelope further and making clear that it is not just about class; it’s about race. The Stanford study was clear that the excessive auditing of Black Americans is not just about income level. It’s not just about the kinds of returns they file. It’s more than that. It’s not just about class or income. It’s also definitely and definitively about race.

Alexander Rifaat: What do you see as the optimal solution going forward? You mentioned Dorothy Brown, who actually serves on the Treasury’s Equity Committee. She has previously said that she worries about putting race or ethnicity question on tax forms simply because it may lead to higher audit rates for minority communities.

Steven A. Dean: Yeah. I would say that I am never going to disagree with Dorothy Brown. I think that that is not a healthy thing to be doing given how tremendously right she’s proven to be about so many important things. I think that’s probably fair. I think it’s probably fair to, at this early stage, not do something as radical as ask taxpayers for their race.

One of the things that I try to do to address questions of, “Is racism in tax laws?” — I serve on a lot of boards of tax organizations. I’m on the National Tax Association’s board. One of the things that they’re trying to do is figure out how to make that organization, which I actually joined early on as an academic and then sort of drifted away, from not feeling welcome, how to make it more welcoming to different kinds of folks.

One of the things that we tried to do was collect [demographic] information from members of the National Tax Association. They’re sometimes reluctant to do that, and I get that. I think taxpayers would be made nervous. Part of the story, part of what we need to do, is really understand what is going to make taxpayers want to be part of this.

So an important feature of our tax system is something we call tax morale. We have a voluntary tax system, and we need taxpayers to believe that not only are they being treated fairly, but they’re being treated fairly in comparison to their neighbors. The way that I’ve explained this to people when they worry sometimes about how folks will feel if the IRS ramps up their enforcement efforts, what I try to explain to folks is that there are a lot of Black taxpayers out there. You don’t want to make them feel more vulnerable by, say, offering up their race on a tax form. But I think many of them instinctively know that there is bias out there in the tax law and in tax enforcement.

It’s not enough to just say, “Don’t worry about it,” because they do. Listen, nobody will be happier than me, although we already know that’s not true, if that Stanford study had come back and said, “There is no bias in auditing of taxpayers. All the bias that is there is simply a function of the disproportionate number of Black taxpayers that file EITC returns and so on.” That would’ve been great, and then all we’d have to do is figure out how to make our tax system less biased systematically to make the EITC less of a trap for the unwary. That’s something we could have done.

But now that we know for a fact that there is bias, we have to make sure that we’re not not making the matter worse, but we have to actually make them feel better. We have to reassure them that we’re being sensitive to questions of race in tax enforcement.

I don’t think adding race to the [Form] 1040 is going to help them feel reassured. And, frankly, we don’t need it. We now know that statistics can show racism in enforcement. There are other ways that we can fill in those gaps without asking taxpayers to tell us, but we have to figure out what to do.

This is the idea of putting body cameras on police officers I don’t think that makes everybody feel perfectly safe, but I think it makes a lot of people feel more safe that there is at least some possibility of accountability, that somebody in theory is watching our interactions with the police. I think improving Black taxpayers’ tax morale matters. Maybe that’s the simplest way to say it.

I don’t know what the best way is to improve Black taxpayers’ tax morale, but I think we should want to do that. I think we as a community, not just Black tax lawyers, but I think all tax lawyers, should want to improve the tax morale of Black taxpayers. The EITC, the way it’s structured, the overpolicing of it, the ProPublica study, what we’ve seen in the Stanford study — none of that is going to reassure Black taxpayers, and we have to find some way to reassure them.

I think that’s our obligation; that’s our duty, is to figure out what that is. It’s not going to be, again, putting body cameras on IRS agents — that’s just silly — but there has to be some way to have some accountability to improve Black taxpayers’ tax morale.

Alexander Rifaat: Well, Professor Dean, it’s been a fascinating discussion. Thanks so much for coming on our show.

Steven A. Dean: I really appreciate the time. Thank you.

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OpenAI, Microsoft want court to toss lawsuit accusing them of abusing open-source code

OpenAI, Microsoft want court to toss lawsuit accusing them of abusing open-source code

  • Businesses say allegations are not distinct sufficient, cite reasonable-use protection
  • Nameless plaintiffs say OpenAI and Microsoft are misusing copyrighted source code

(Reuters) – Microsoft Corp, Microsoft’s GitHub Inc and OpenAI Inc informed a San Francisco federal court docket that a proposed course-action lawsuit for improperly monetizing open-supply code to prepare their synthetic-intelligence programs cannot be sustained.

The corporations explained in Thursday court docket filings that the criticism, filed by a team of anonymous copyright proprietors, did not outline their allegations specifically ample and that GitHub’s Copilot system, which implies strains of code for programmers, produced honest use of the supply code.

A spokesperson for GitHub, an on-line system for housing code, stated Friday that the firm has “been dedicated to innovating responsibly with Copilot from the get started” and that its motion is “a testomony to our belief in the function we’ve done to attain that.”

Representatives for OpenAI and the plaintiffs did not immediately respond to requests for comment Friday.

Two anonymous plaintiffs, trying to find to stand for a class of folks who very own copyrights to code on GitHub, sued Microsoft, GitHub and OpenAI in November. They stated the businesses educated Copilot with code from GitHub repositories with out complying with open-resource licensing terms, and that Copilot unlawfully reproduces their code.

Open up-supply software can be modified or dispersed for totally free by any buyers who comply with a license, which usually needs attribution to the authentic creator, discover of their copyright, and a copy of the license, according to the lawsuit.

“Copilot’s target is to substitute a substantial swath of open supply by using it and trying to keep it within a GitHub-controlled paywall,” the complaint said. “It violates the licenses that open-source programmers chose and monetizes their code in spite of GitHub’s pledge by no means to do so.”

Microsoft and OpenAI reported Thursday that the plaintiffs lacked standing to deliver the situation because they failed to argue they endured distinct accidents from the companies’ actions.

The companies also mentioned the lawsuit did not identify distinct copyrighted functions they misused or contracts that they breached.

Microsoft also claimed in its submitting that the copyright allegations would “operate headlong into the doctrine of reasonable use,” which enables the unlicensed use of copyrighted is effective in some circumstances. The businesses each cited a 2021 U.S. Supreme Court selection that Google’s use of Oracle source code to construct its Android working program was transformative truthful use.

Microsoft reported Monday it would spend billions of bucks in the well-known generative AI firm OpenAI, which it 1st backed with $1 billion in 2019.

The supply-code circumstance is Doe v. GitHub Inc, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, No. 4:22-cv-06823.

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How the Bankruptcy Code Impacts User Access to FTX Assets

How the Bankruptcy Code Impacts User Access to FTX Assets

Subsequent the the latest string of crypto bankruptcies, about a million people today are contacting for entry to their accounts, coins, and tokens.

Standing in their way is the reply to this concern: What is residence of a debtor’s estate, or far more to the stage, what is not home of the estate?

The other problem that might make a difference just as a lot is what variation it makes.

Centered on a filing in the FTX case on Nov. 21, it appeared there was only $1.2 billion of money offered from an unidentified total of claims held by in excess of a million probable lenders, the major 50 of whom are owed, in accordance to FTX’s filings, over $3.1 billion. Extra assets may well be uncovered.

What it Suggests

Property of the estate is a single of the most essential ideas in US individual bankruptcy legislation. A debtor’s estate is composed of “all authorized or equitable passions of the debtor in assets,” together with tangible and intangible residence, as of the starting of the situation “wherever located and by whomever held.”

And this consists of all “proceeds, item, offspring, rents, or profits of or from assets of the estate.”

For our applications, there is a person salient exception to the voracious urge for food of the estate: residence held by a debtor in some sort of believe in. No matter if the hollowed-out crypto estates hold an individual’s money, coins, or tokens in rely on is perhaps the most crucial issue in all the crypto bankruptcies, primarily FTX.

Who Holds the Key

Let’s start off with a severe truth test and a fundamental mantra of crypto. If your crypto is stored in a wallet with a personal key that only you hold, no a single can dispute that the crypto is yours. But eliminate the crucial and you reduce the crypto. Even so, if your crypto is saved in a wallet on an exchange, and that exchange goes into individual bankruptcy, then what?

Frequently, counsel in other crypto bankruptcies have taken the posture that no matter what is in the estate or can be recovered by the estate, and belongs to the estate in gross, not any particular creditor. So what does this definitely indicate for FTX consumers?

FTX.com’s phrases of service give that “you manage the electronic belongings held in your account,” and that “title to your electronic belongings shall at all instances continue to be with you and shall not transfer to FTX Investing.”

In addition, “none of the electronic belongings in your account are the home of, or shall or may perhaps be loaned to, FTX Buying and selling.” The company “does not symbolize or address electronic property in user’s accounts as belonging to FTX Investing.”

Lawful Have confidence in

This definitely seems to produce a lawful “trust” relationship—“in which one person holds title to house, subject matter to an obligation to retain or use the property for the profit of one more.”

In this regard, FTX digital assets appear to resemble the property held in a “custody” account at Celsius, a crypto asset-dependent finance platform that filed for personal bankruptcy on July 13, which Celsius has acknowledged is buyer home and not home of its estate.

Even so, Celsius’s placement may well now be in dilemma dependent on an interim report issued by the examiner appointed in Celsius’s individual bankruptcy case.

The Nov. 19 report exposed that there were being insufficient accounting and operational controls or technical infrastructure in the custody accounts and that “as a consequence, prospects now face uncertainty about which belongings, if any, belonged to them as of the individual bankruptcy filing.”

It may perhaps not be ample to have agreements that develop interactions that should be inviolate, for the reason that the actions taken by the holders of a customer’s crypto in violation of those people agreements may perhaps continue to leave individuals buyers unprotected.

Venue

Yet another difficulty that have to have to be resolved relates to venue—where the case will acquire place, and to preference of law—what legislation will govern the lawful inquiries.

FTX was integrated in Antigua and Barbuda, headquartered in the Bahamas, and did small business globally. While 100-additionally FTX circumstances were submitted in the personal bankruptcy court in Delaware, a situation has also started off in the Bahamas. This has triggered a jurisdictional battle.

Conditions decided underneath the US bankruptcy code make distinct that house matter to a rely on is excluded from property of a debtor’s estate.

But no matter if a rely on relationship has really been developed is a make any difference of “state regulation,” meaning that the personal bankruptcy courtroom, which is a federal courtroom, will look to the legislation of the related state or region to interpret the provisions of the contract.

In this scenario, the provisions are the TOS—that the get-togethers entered into as effectively as the validity and effect of that contract.

The conditions of company of FTX state that disputes are to be determined “in accordance with English regulation.” What exactly that implies, is not absolutely distinct.

Outlook

Now, assuming these are trust cash, does it issue? Probably. Except all the push is improper, which it may possibly be, billions of dollars are just long gone. Regardless of whether an individual will be held criminally liable is to be determined by folks with badges and .gov in their e-mail addresses, not personal bankruptcy lawyers or the new CEO of FTX.

What happens to whichever cash is still left in FTX or can be recovered by the estate for lenders? Whose dollars is it? Everyone’s?

In which case, the regular personal bankruptcy method would make a pro rata distribution to lenders in accordance with the precedence of payment scheme in the bankruptcy code.

Or, are any of the belongings remaining regarded as have confidence in assets? This means, do they belong to distinct get-togethers independently and not to all functions collectively?

Bottom line—it is way too shortly to notify.

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